KawaNOW Message Forum
« Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins »

Welcome Guest. Please Login or Register.
Feb 9, 2010, 10:35pm

[Home] [Help] [Search] [Calendar] [Login] [Register]


Welcome To The Nomad Nation


KawaNOW Website
"Where Riding A Nomad Is KawaNOW And FOREVER"

KawaNOW Staff      KawaNOW Apparel      KawaNOW Forum FAQ      KawaNOW Members
KawaNOW 2009 Rally Info      KawaNOW Nomad Specifications      KawaNOW Nomad Tips/Installs      KawaNOW Nomad Accessories
About KawaNOW       KawaNOW In Memoriam       KawaNOW Gear       KawaNOW Nomad FAQ
KawaNOW Nomad Goodies       KawaNOW Nomad Links       KawaNOW Nomad Nirvana       KawaNOW Riding Info
KawaNOW Business Card       KawaNOW Member Mapping       View Our Video       KawaNOW "Did You Know"
Join KawaNOW
KawaNOW Regional Rally 2008 Video     KawaNOW National Rally 2009 Video

Maybe you've found the KawaNOW Forum and Website useful.
Just maybe you have saved some money using the tips and information on this forum and website.
If so, help us keep the "Nomadradery" going by making a donation to help pay for website, server and maintenance costs.
Just click the Donate button below and pay by PayPal or credit card. It's that easy. Our thanks for helping whenever you can.




KawaNOW Message Forum :: KawaNOW General Boards :: Nomad/Motorcycle Related Topics Board :: Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins
Page 1 of 3 » Jump to page   Go    [Search This Thread][Send Topic To Friend] [Print]
AuthorTopic: Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins (Read 401 times)
Netnorske
Region Leader Staff
******
Northwest Region Leader
member is offline

[avatar]

"Growing old is mandatory, but growing up is optional"



Joined: Aug 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,487
Location: Everett, Washington
Karma: 5
Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins
« Thread Started on Jul 20, 2009, 1:17pm »
For those of you considering making the V&H Ultimate Baffles, here's something very important to consider. There has been much discussion here about the sceens vs the pins. I have both and whether or not you add the screens, you should definitely leave the pins in and here's why....

Dkdixie recently sent me some new screens to try (thx Dick). When I installed my Ult. Baffs awhile ago, because I used stainless steel for the material, I slathered them up good with anti-sieze all around the outer edges so that they would be somewhat easily removable.

Well....after two months (and 5000k) of riding around....one was a little tough to get out. After using a wire brush and screwdriver to rid the inner pipe of carbon buildup as best I could.....I used a pair of pliers to reach in and grab the pin. This allowed me a good solid hold and by pushing forward and back....was easily able to slide the baffle out.

Here's the deal though.....without that pin.....there is nothing....and I mean nothing...to grab hold of to get these things in and out... :o! I would have been S.O.L. had there been no pins to grab. I honestly don't know what you would do to get them out again beyond somehow sacrificing your screens.

Thought I better mention this before someone runs into a problem.... ;). Make sure you anti-seize them upon installation and that you have something to grab onto later, because they will "stick" in there. I am going to make a point to pull them out every so often to re-apply the anti-sieze!
Link to Post - Back to Top  IP: Logged
[image] [image] [image]
Kris Olsen, Everett, WA.
"Northwest Nomads"
KawaNOW #691
VROC #31307
2008 Blue/Silver 1600 Nomad
Yellow Jacket
Ultimate Member
*****
member is offline

[avatar]

"A free people ought. . .to be armed. . ." George Washington, 1790



Joined: Nov 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,414
Location: Fayetteville, Georgia
Karma: 23
Re: Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins
« Reply #1 on Jul 20, 2009, 1:40pm »
Excellent point, Kris!
Link to Post - Back to Top  IP: Logged
[image] [image]
[image]
Bob Hofmeister
Patriot Guard Rider
KawaNOW 210
VROC 27850
Green/Silver 2006
Doc (Lonewolf)
Ultimate Member
*****
member is offline

[avatar]

Ride Easy #15



Joined: Jul 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,897
Karma: -110
Re: Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins
« Reply #2 on Jul 20, 2009, 2:53pm »
GTK(Good To Know),,, :-)
Link to Post - Back to Top  IP: Logged
[image] [image]
billmac
Ultimate Member
*****
member is offline







Joined: Apr 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 574
Location: Egan, TX (S. of Ft Worth)
Karma: 6
Re: Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins
« Reply #3 on Jul 20, 2009, 3:27pm »
Thanks for the good info. I bought and installed the Vance and Hines last week. Now I am just waiting for someone to offer to sale the Ulitmate baffle.
Link to Post - Back to Top  IP: Logged
Kawanow # 00470
VROC # 26630
Ringadingh
KawaNOW Staff
*******
KawaNOW Vice President-Canadian Operations
member is offline

[avatar]



Joined: Aug 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,100
Location: Newmarket Ontario Canada
Karma: 286
Re: Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins
« Reply #4 on Jul 20, 2009, 3:36pm »
If you needed to remove the baffles with no pin, you could use a slide hammer to get them out. This method would ruin the screens if you had them installed, but they would come out of the pipe. Once out you could install a pin or new screens.
Link to Post - Back to Top  IP: Logged
[image] [image]
Ringadingh
KawaNow #27
VROC #18951
2002 Nomad "Bounty Hunter"
"dk dixie"
Region Leader Staff
******
SouthEast Assistant Region Leader
member is offline

[avatar]

2008 Red & Black 1600 -- You only go around once in life, do it right, once is enough



Joined: Nov 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,320
Location: Blairsville in N. GA mountains
Karma: 23
Re: Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins
« Reply #5 on Jul 20, 2009, 4:32pm »
There's a much easier way to remove them.
Any "L" shaped tool, like a nail puller will work. One of mine is tight and I use a "L" shaped tool used in working on drum brakes.
Any tool of this type will "hook" between the baffle and screen.
Link to Post - Back to Top  IP: Logged
[image] [image] [image]

Dick Campbell
KawaNow #243 - Darksider #115 - M/C Darksiders - Hooligan #46 - VROC #27986 - VRA


jasperboy
Full Member
***
member is offline

[avatar]



Joined: Jan 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 212
Location: Wadsworth, OH
Karma: 17
Re: Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins
« Reply #6 on Jul 20, 2009, 5:16pm »
Should have these available any day now. I have some pictures at http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffkimkaitlyn/ of the prototype version I had produced. I'm waiting to get a production cost, and will share it with everyone as soon as I do! I agree that the pin is a great way to not only remove, but also install them. I was able to use it to insert the baffles and then turn them to locate the two screws to secure them. I tried no pin or screen, but it was TOO LOUD! The pin alone didn't quiet things at all. I then tried the larger hole screens, next the smaller hole screens, and finally both together. Not sure I noticed much difference with any of the screen combinations. Anyway, the baffles are made of 6061 Aluminum, and the removable pins are stainless, as well as the screens. I've secured a source for allen head 1/2-20 stainless screws, and would suggest using them for securing the baffles and the screens. I found my screws holding the stock baffles were pretty scuffed, gues I'm dragging on some curbs. Anyway, I'll have everything priced out and a production schedule in a day or two.
Link to Post - Back to Top  IP: Logged
Kawanow #00931
VROC #16379
2006 Black 1600 Nomad

and previous 1999 1500
[image] [image]

borto1990
Senior Member
****
member is offline





Joined: Jan 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 355
Location: grand rapids, mi
Karma: 1
Re: Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins
« Reply #7 on Jul 20, 2009, 5:38pm »
I've left mine the same since the adaption of the screen. I pulled the pins, but the hole is still there to where i am sure I could get some kind of a mentioned L shaped tool in there. worse case though, couldn't you just pull the pipe off at the connection and drive it out that way? I however, am hoping I never have to remove them.
Link to Post - Back to Top  IP: Logged
[image]
Netnorske
Region Leader Staff
******
Northwest Region Leader
member is offline

[avatar]

"Growing old is mandatory, but growing up is optional"



Joined: Aug 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,487
Location: Everett, Washington
Karma: 5
Re: Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins
« Reply #8 on Jul 20, 2009, 5:58pm »

Jul 20, 2009, 5:16pm, jasperboy wrote:
Should have these available any day now. I have some pictures at http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffkimkaitlyn/ of the prototype version I had produced. I'm waiting to get a production cost, and will share it with everyone as soon as I do! I agree that the pin is a great way to not only remove, but also install them. I was able to use it to insert the baffles and then turn them to locate the two screws to secure them. I tried no pin or screen, but it was TOO LOUD! The pin alone didn't quiet things at all. I then tried the larger hole screens, next the smaller hole screens, and finally both together. Not sure I noticed much difference with any of the screen combinations. Anyway, the baffles are made of 6061 Aluminum, and the removable pins are stainless, as well as the screens. I've secured a source for allen head 1/2-20 stainless screws, and would suggest using them for securing the baffles and the screens. I found my screws holding the stock baffles were pretty scuffed, gues I'm dragging on some curbs. Anyway, I'll have everything priced out and a production schedule in a day or two.


Jasperboy,
Was looking at your photos and noticed you have the screens to the rear of the baffles.....very noticeable. I myself and I think most others have the screens on the front of the baffles (toward the front of the bike). They are a lot less noticeable this way and may (or may not) change the sound and/or performance.

Just from a looks perspective, I think you would want the screens positioned farther back into the pipe on the other side of the baffles to help hide them. JMHO.

Simply pull them out and turn them around so the screen faces the front of the bike....you will see what I mean....
« Last Edit: Jul 20, 2009, 6:02pm by Netnorske »Link to Post - Back to Top  IP: Logged
[image] [image] [image]
Kris Olsen, Everett, WA.
"Northwest Nomads"
KawaNOW #691
VROC #31307
2008 Blue/Silver 1600 Nomad
Doc (Lonewolf)
Ultimate Member
*****
member is offline

[avatar]

Ride Easy #15



Joined: Jul 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,897
Karma: -110
Re: Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins
« Reply #9 on Jul 20, 2009, 6:02pm »
I totally agree with Net. Screens must be on the front side to hide them. Another source for those SS screws for the V&H baffles is Lowes I just bought a few myself.

Now we have 1 pin and 2 screens together and not much change in the sound??? ???
« Last Edit: Jul 20, 2009, 6:03pm by Doc (Lonewolf) »Link to Post - Back to Top  IP: Logged
[image] [image]
VulcanE
Ultimate Member
*****
member is offline

[avatar]

2005 Blue & Silver 1600



Joined: Jan 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,684
Location: Cartersville, Georgia
Karma: 30
Re: Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins
« Reply #10 on Jul 20, 2009, 7:00pm »
Jasperboy, I looked at your photos, and the screens "should" be mounted on the other side of the baffle, on the side with the angle instead of the side with the radius, and the radius side to the outside of the pipe. The angle side is to collect the exhaust and "funnel" it out. Least ways, that was the way I designed them to be. I know they're not perfect, but it was a starting point to give other folks some way to "tinker" with the V&H sound.
Kudos to you though for all the work you have put into getting these into production.

[image]
Link to Post - Back to Top  IP: Logged
[image] [image] [image]
KawaNOW # 320; VROC # 20381; GAVROC # 205;
jasperboy
Full Member
***
member is offline

[avatar]



Joined: Jan 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 212
Location: Wadsworth, OH
Karma: 17
Re: Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins
« Reply #11 on Jul 20, 2009, 8:09pm »
Yup, screens on the INSIDE! I'll make that adjustment prior to any production. They do look a little odd with the screen visible, I just didn't see an easy way to tap the screw holes on the backside, but that is an easy change.
Link to Post - Back to Top  IP: Logged
Kawanow #00931
VROC #16379
2006 Black 1600 Nomad

and previous 1999 1500
[image] [image]

Netnorske
Region Leader Staff
******
Northwest Region Leader
member is offline

[avatar]

"Growing old is mandatory, but growing up is optional"



Joined: Aug 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,487
Location: Everett, Washington
Karma: 5
Re: Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins
« Reply #12 on Jul 20, 2009, 9:37pm »
The guy who made mine simply lathed a small flat edge on the backside to accommodate the screens. Unfortunately, since the screens were an afterthought of the original design....that step is not reflected in the drawing.... :-/.
Link to Post - Back to Top  IP: Logged
[image] [image] [image]
Kris Olsen, Everett, WA.
"Northwest Nomads"
KawaNOW #691
VROC #31307
2008 Blue/Silver 1600 Nomad
"dk dixie"
Region Leader Staff
******
SouthEast Assistant Region Leader
member is offline

[avatar]

2008 Red & Black 1600 -- You only go around once in life, do it right, once is enough



Joined: Nov 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,320
Location: Blairsville in N. GA mountains
Karma: 23
Re: Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins
« Reply #13 on Jul 21, 2009, 5:42am »

Jul 20, 2009, 8:09pm, jasperboy wrote:
Yup, screens on the INSIDE! I'll make that adjustment prior to any production. They do look a little odd with the screen visible, I just didn't see an easy way to tap the screw holes on the backside, but that is an easy change.


Holes can still be tapped on the "backside" without any modification. Even though you are tapping into a taper it can easily be done with a drill press. I did mine on a neighbors drill press with no problem.
Would make it much easier though with about 1/4" flat surface.

Suggestion: You might consider changing the screen bolt size to 10-32 instead of 1/4-20. 10-32 x 3/4" works well when tapping into the taper, 10-32 x 1/2" would be enough on flat surface. Don't really need over sized 1/4-20 bolt.

When the screen holes are tapped, take into consideration the bolt head placement. If close enough to the edge, grind/file off a little of the head of the bolt and it will not have enough room to work loose.
I would also suggest tapping at least 3 holes, if not 4. Want to keep the screen flat.

Jasper, you have done a great job in finding a source to have these manufactured!
Well done!!
« Last Edit: Jul 21, 2009, 5:46am by "dk dixie" »Link to Post - Back to Top  IP: Logged
[image] [image] [image]

Dick Campbell
KawaNow #243 - Darksider #115 - M/C Darksiders - Hooligan #46 - VROC #27986 - VRA


Ringadingh
KawaNOW Staff
*******
KawaNOW Vice President-Canadian Operations
member is offline

[avatar]



Joined: Aug 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,100
Location: Newmarket Ontario Canada
Karma: 286
Re: Ultimate Baffles (Important) - Screens vs Pins
« Reply #14 on Jul 21, 2009, 6:51am »
Perhaps having a smaller diameter hole in the baffle, would quiet them down just enough so that the screens are not required. The hole could always be opened up later if it doesn't make a difference.
Link to Post - Back to Top  IP: Logged
[image] [image]
Ringadingh
KawaNow #27
VROC #18951
2002 Nomad "Bounty Hunter"
Page 1 of 3 » Jump to page   Go    [Search This Thread][Send Topic To Friend] [Print]

KawaNOW
"Where Riding A Nomad Is KawaNOW And FOREVER"

Visit www.KawaNOW.org
for all types of Nomad Information


Web Forum and Content Disclaimer
Considerable care has been taken in preparing information and materials which is displayed on this and other pages of this forum. However, the KawaNOW Membership, KawaNOW Leadership, KawaNOW Staff and KawaNOW Webmaster is unable to provide any warranty or guarantee concerning the accuracy or completeness of any information contained herein. All Information contained on this page and all other pages of this forum has been submitted by the listed author(s). The listed author(s), KawaNOW Members, KawaNOW Leadership, KawaNOW Staff and KawaNOW Webmaster assume no responsibility or liability for any injury, loss or damage incurred as a result of any use or reliance upon the information and material contained within this page and all other pages of this forum.
Google
Webkawanow.proboards.com
Click Here To Make This Board Ad-Free


This Board Hosted For FREE By ProBoards
Get Your Own Free Message Boards & Free Forums!